SKIRLING and STIRLING surname connection . . .
but now possibly McGregor, MacGregor, McGrigor, etc. too - read on . . .)
PLEASE READ THIS.
The research into SKIRLING and STIRLING and variant and 'connected'
surnames continues and the Webmaster has decided that keeping all the
various STIRLING pages on this site up2date is not really possible.
A NEW WEBPAGE has been created in the form of a newsletter and will be
updated more often than the others. You may still get information from
the various linked STIRLING pages on this site, but the new one should
ALWAYS be read for the latest news. The page will be dated so that
you can check it occasionally.
HERE for the new webpage.
the course of drawing up my own family tree in the early 1990's I came to the conclusion that I
could link very many persons with the Stirling surname in Angus,
particularly around Forfar. I have
always recorded my family tree with the aid of my computer and use the L.D.S.
Ancestral File® 4,
available for free download from the Mormon website. (Version 5 is now
available for free download. I also still use MS-DOS PAF®
3 which can be useful in certain circumstances.)
On my maternal 'side' I have a family tree chart
dating from around 1750 with
James Stirling and Margaret Whyte, his wife, who married, or had banns called, on
Boxing Day in
1773. My chart of descendants directly from that
couple to date has over 200 persons listed.
while after commencing my researches I decided that I would be better able to carry out my
task if I had records for every person of the Stirling surname who I could trace, and then see if
they were related, even distantly, in some way to mine.
In the case of married females this would include those whose maiden OR
married surname was Stirling. Using
this information with that I already had I was am likely to increase the detail and number
of related persons considerably.
I typed up the information for the file (now called ALLSTIR
and available for download from this site) I noticed interesting
"snippets" of information which helped me to link family members
together. My main aim was to try
to establish the
parents, siblings, and spouses of siblings, of that James Stirling back around
1750 I am sure that a considerable number of other Stirlings, and descendants,
some with other surnames, could be added. There
are entries where other (so far, unrelated Stirlings) are married to persons on
my own 'tree' and I felt that if I can get earlier information for more generations
some on my 2,500-name ALLSTIR list of names might "fall into place".
now . . .
some time after preparing the 'base' information for my ALLSTIR list using
the IGI for the STIRLING
surname (which included a few spelling variants) I discovered that many more
also appeared in
another place on the IGI (International Genealogical Index from the L.D.S.) as SKIRLING,
again with several variants in spelling. (It is unfortunate that the producers of the IGI did not include them with
the STIRLINGS, but I suppose the
problem is where to 'draw the line' with similar surnames.)
in the ANGUS (sometime called Forfarshire) area of East Scotland, the SKIRLING
(and variants) surname seems generally to have pre-dated the STIRLINGS
and are known, at least in my ancestors case, to be
their forebears - I have the same persons recorded under both spellings. This change in spelling
came to my notice as I read in a publication by the Scottish Genealogical
Society of a memorial stone in
Kinnettles Parish Kirkyard (in Angus, Scotland) where the inscribed name of a person
interred and (from the Old Parish Records) recorded
as SKIRLING has apparently had the
inscription altered to STIRLING to match the
STIRLING family name that the
family later used. The following photograph is of that stone.
earliest known ancestor, JAMES STIRLING,
is recorded in the Old Parish Records of two adjoining Scottish
parishes in (the former county of) Angus. His Marriage Banns were called in December 1773 on the occasion of his forthcoming marriage to
MARGARET WHYTE of Kinnettles. In the OPR for Inverarity he is called STIRLING
and in the OPR for Kinnettles, he is called SKIRLING.
I have not (yet?)
established a link to the SKIRLING family of Kinnettles whose names
are recorded on the gravestones.
I decided to include ALL
those listed as -
DE STRIVELYN, DE STRYVELIN,
DE STIRLING, SCERVEN, SCIRLIN, SCIRLINE, SKERLING, SKERVING, SKERVING, SKIRLANE,
SKIRLEN, SKIRLER, SKIRLIE, SKIRLIN, SKIRLINE, SKIRLING, SKIRLINGE, SKIRLNG,
SKIRTING, SKIRTON, SKIRVEN, SKIRVINE, SKIRVING, SKRLING, SKYRLIN, SKYRLING,
SKYRLINGE, SKYRLYNG, STERLIN, STERLING, STERLYNG, STIRLEN, STIRLIN, STIRLINE,
STIRLING, STIRLON, STIRLYING, STRIVELINGS.
(Please note that the webmaster cannot confirm
that all these surname spellings have become STIRLING or STERLING.)
. . .on my ALLSTIR
HOWEVER, possibly a new 'twist'.
. . now possibly McGregor, MacGregor, McGrigor, etc. too - please read on . . .
A study of the SKirling individuals
on my ALLSTIR
list very strongly indicates that this spelling (with very few exceptions)
is concentrated in ANGUS with some 'spilling over' into neighbouring (former
county of) Kincardineshire to the north-east (see
map). With this in mind there is a likelihood that the
descendants of these SKirlings became STirlings, many or most of which are on my
list, some related.
am told that if one studies the history of the McGregor Clan there was, after 'a
spot of bother' in the 1700's, a requirement to change their surnames, or take aliases
or septs. It appears that several different surnames were taken, and I
have noted that the name STirling was one. I have a supposition
that the existence of SKirling, being so concentrated in this area of Scotland,
may have been a branch of the disgraced clan. I have no proof of this, but
would like to hear from anyone who can tell me more, particularly if I can
reproduce it here.
you have read about 'The
Massacre of Glencoe" you will be aware of this terrible story in
Scottish History. I am told that the MacGregor Clan had an
affinity with the Clan Macdonald. My earliest known ancestor possibly
acquired the land and property in the Inverarity Parish, south-east of Forfar,
in Angus, and named it GLENCOE PARK (OLD MAP
HERE.). In my own family history records
there are quite a number of births, deaths and marriages connected with that
address, although not necessarily the original house/s. The address exists
to this day, although the widower of last Stirling descendant moved out a few
years ago from the remaining Stirling family home. (The link in this
paragraph is to an article on the website of Scottishweb.net
- worth a visit.)
HOWEVER, a completely different theory
about monks from France can
be seen here . . .
would appreciate any readers views and references on anything here, or linked.
(AN ASIDE - In my personal research I have found that it is also unfortunate, in my
opinion, that an contributor to
the current IGI has apparently given conflicting information for STIRLING individuals to
that which was published in earlier IGI versions based, some based on OPR and Statutory
Registration sources - I
doubt several entries of these in later versions of the IGI. The individual
contributor appears to have made certain assumptions as to our shared
ancestors which I fail to be able to confirm. This shows the importance of checking EVERYTHING at the
source. If this conflicting information had been in the version of the IGI
that I had used originally it would have caused problems for me. Remember,
the IGI is just an INDEX, not an original source.)
best way to find other stirling
references on this website is to use the SITE
SEARCH ENGINE - why not try it out? It should find the FIRST STIRLING
on a page, so use your browser's FIND ON THIS PAGE facility (CNTRL + F for MSIE)
after you link to the page.
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